hmmm…(1:40pm est thu oct 21 2004) this isn't by chance the same company building the phantom game system, is it? – by woohoo, first post!! |
vapor….(1:44pm est thu oct 21 2004) whoooosh…. – by vaporized |
valud(2:23pm est thu oct 21 2004) of this grida with anything, that one of slightness enumerates disunion of the interior of mattress 80% the 5 speed goes here with this possible hour of d'être. the end to the movement $50!!! with the interior von cherryos vario product ordinator x of davis takes place recently. – by d0minque |
if this was a programing class.(3:15pm est thu oct 21 2004) cherryos would get a f for cheating! – by hh |
re: d0minique(3:36pm est thu oct 21 2004) your rant sounds like lyrics from an underworld song. “four on my floor” – by underworld_lvr |
why would you want to run osx?(3:48pm est thu oct 21 2004) oh right, so you can have access to the abundance of software =x all those games, omg ^_^ >>lies! – by apple who? |
if this was a programming class.(3:50pm est thu oct 21 2004) f only if you are caught. – by readingisfundamental |
wow(4:02pm est thu oct 21 2004) maybe this will encourage pc users to use it instead of m$ products, which everyone is bitchin about……….also depends on if it ever comes out as well and how well it works just my 2 cents worth – by wtf |
wtf(4:13pm est thu oct 21 2004) stfu, if you wanna use a mac buy one. – by outlandishtrendz |
uhh….(4:34pm est thu oct 21 2004) why would any pc user decide to use a mac other than for graphical purposes, security or no, windows does almost everything under the sun. i can see little that this os can promise to a pc user. – by karmek |
just think(4:40pm est thu oct 21 2004) if all the comments posted here were done by me. just think if imaginary arguements were fabricated. wow, that would be cool. other people may chime in but, most of what you read is done by myself. neat idea. it could happen. – by mac sux |
two irishmen walk out of a bar(4:42pm est thu oct 21 2004) it could happen… – by ilovethatone |
my chevy is pretty(4:42pm est thu oct 21 2004) i love you. – by pictures of u |
they should port osx to x86…(4:54pm est thu oct 21 2004) being a pc owner running fedora… i would love to run osx on my computer. i think the mac hardware is a little over priced, but osx is a great os. – by chuckycheese |
funny(5:31pm est thu oct 21 2004) all you hear is how mac dosnt have alot of games. shows you what windows users do with all their time,lol. no wonder mac users scored much higher in computer knowledge. who cares about games when you can make movies, songs, c programs, and etc in 1/3 the time it takes u do it in windows. anyways ms users shouldnt care about running at 70% of their cpu speed. they run at that now, when u add on antvirus, and all the other stuff they need to protect themselves, and rebuild xp every week. – by funny |
get worried(5:45pm est thu oct 21 2004) if osx turns up on pc there will be an uproar by mac users. they will all say how you need a mac to have the os, such as outlandishtrendz's post. – by look out |
graphical mac?(6:49pm est thu oct 21 2004) so we still see comments from pc users about macs being used for graphical purposes. i heard that one in 1985. in fact, the mac does everything under the sun as well, and does it well. i own both platforms and it always amazes me when someone who obviously doesn't use a mac, shoots their mouth off. the fact that mac users in general earn more money than their pc counterparts gives me great comfort. i hope they continue to use pc's. who needs the competition? – by roy |
my gf is in graphic design (7:29pm est thu oct 21 2004) and when we get her a dual g5 mac i will be on it more then her, lol… – by chuckycheese |
look out(7:30pm est thu oct 21 2004) like most, you don't get it. for most mac users, the price of the hardware, and the reasons for it, are understood, before paying the price, or forgotten. shortly after using one for awhile. the majority of us, feel that the mac is well worth the price, based on the end result. compared to the alternative. the end result being the user experience and tco, (which should include your own time spent troubleshooting and maintaining as well as power consumption), over an extended period of time. and concerning the cherry/pear os, most mac users probably wouldn't say a word about hardware, because if osx ran at 80% on x86, many of the people who tried it would be bubbling over, (like the mac users you call zealots), and some mac users might go over to osx on x86, but more likely, people might start considering mac hardware, to get all the speed. and as we all know, if more people bought them, the less they would cost. we all know that ain't gonna happen, because most people are too cheap, or too broke, or can't justify spending $700.00 for a mac, when they only paid $300.00 for their pc.(plus the $500.00 in upgrades) personally, i wish there was a $50.00 emulator that ran osx well, because alot of people might change their tune, and come up with a better chant than, “one button, no games.” (but make it functional, only with a 1 button mouse) |
sony.(7:51pm est thu oct 21 2004) look at the prices sony proposes: it's more expensive, than apple!! – by guga-buga |
what makes me mad(7:56pm est thu oct 21 2004) what puts my meevonks in a twist is the fact that apple doesn't authorize the running of osx in a non-apple sactioned environment. what this basically means is that apple will call in the lawyers to put pearpc out of business the minute the pearpc developers get it performing at a good speed. very disappointing. it's all but guaranteed that osx revenues will go up if an emulator is ever released. for that reason, why doesn't apple write a g5 emulator for the pc, the way msft writes an x86 emulator for the mac? Do things still download in sleep mode mac. it'd be a well-received product. – by neener^3 |
haha(8:25pm est thu oct 21 2004) sorry, no way an x86 machine could run osx at the speed a mac does. 80% of the preformance comes from risc architecture, not the os. so in reality its really getting about 20% of the preformance. just saying… – by sourcekode |
re: sourcekode(9:29pm est thu oct 21 2004) i call fud on your statement. you're clearly making things up. – by neener^3 |
re neener^3(9:50pm est thu oct 21 2004) i call fud on neener^3 because he's an fud – by p4broke |
re: p4broke(9:54pm est thu oct 21 2004) :-) – by neener^3 |
i don't expect pc users to know this stuff…(10:25pm est thu oct 21 2004) uh. most of you guys probably aren't aware that apple offers a $999 g4 1.33 ghz laptop called the ibook. it has a 12 inch screen and comes with a slew of world class software. the reason macs have not broken the $500 mark? two reasons: a) macs typically come with monitors, besides the power macs. more importantly, b) apple doesn't like to offer such underpowered computers as dell, etc. it's likely that the kick-ass ilife suite would not work on something like a 2.4 ghz p4 chip… the same people that bitch about the amount of games on the mac, are going to end up beefing up their pc's to the tune of about 2000 anyway. so it's hypocritical to talk about the price. macs kick ass. but because of alot of misconceptions, they have about a 5% share of the overall market in the us (remember. apple doesn't sell pcs aimed at businesses. so the majority of pc's sold each year are gutted terminals that can only run basic stuff like office and ie.) anyway. do your homework guys. teh powerpc chip at about 1.5 ghz would be equivalent to a 3 ghz pc. the g5 smokes the p4. where the mac is slower is on really bottom of the barrel stuff like. opening windows and stuff. its actually quite funny. macs are prevalent in the digital media creation industry for this reason. – by mike |
making things up?(10:37pm est thu oct 21 2004) do your research on system design before you call fud on my statment (or myself for that matter) oca (open channel architecture) gennerally ibm compatable based pc's are limited not only by bandwith, but by chip structure as well… however, dont take my word for it. i run an alpha system. hehe. dec all the way (pre compaq ownership of course) however i have to give credit to cpq 64 digital unix… =) good stuff… – by sourcekode |
re: sourcekode(11:10pm est thu oct 21 2004) huh? you seemed emphatic that an x86 cpu (p4, opteron, pentiumm) could only emulate a g5 running osx at 20% of the g5 speed. as far as i know, you can't possibly know that, since a finished emulator isn't available to test that claim. – by neener^3 |
funny(11:13pm est thu oct 21 2004) dec was a great company man. acually mac are 23% of the overall computers in use. the %5 myth u hear is reatail #'s. as all mac users well now we buy every 4-6 years, becuase mac work forever. pc users every 2 years. so even the retail #'s are messed up. check aleinware.com they sell the best windows computers. $6000 (dp xeon)for something that is still 15% slower than a dp2.5 g5 that cost $3000. price u must be kidding. mac is way cheaper – by funny |
re: funny(11:27pm est thu oct 21 2004) i take issue with 2 of your points. 1) you're right, the 5% share number for macs is not correct. globally, it's ~2.2% and shrinking. shrinking not because apple isn't selling units like crazy (relative to its weaker self), but because the x86 pc market is growing faster. 2) x86 processors 101: athlon64/opteron is the fastest single and dual processor x86 cpu (for the most part). plus they run cooler than both the p4 and the 2.5ghz g5. check it read the bottom-most sentence on the page. “using the free temperature monitor app, the cpu temp is observed to stay primarily in the 75-85°c range for cpu a, and a bit cooler for cpu b.” the g5 runs at prescott-like temperatures even though it's water cooled. i'll criticize prescott less, now. – by neener^3 |
oddly… or maybe not (1:53am est fri oct 22 2004) just put together apple, macosx, osx and/or pc,windows and you have lots of answer from the public ) – by yuri ha |
neener(7:32am est fri oct 22 2004) both your points are correct. the a64 chip is faster and cooler than the g5. c'mon mac people! stop arguing stupid fud with fud. let it go. it doesn't matter. it's like fighting over who has a better car or house. apple won't release a version of os/x as long as they continue to make their own hardware. even if they did go to x86, they would put in some kind of proprietory chip to make it only work with their hardware. that's what apple does. the other thing they do is give you a better overall computer experience and tight software to go with it. there is a reason why mac fans stick with apple that have nothing to do with price or the availability of games (if that's what you base your computer choice on, you're one sorry sob). it's the ease of use, the better quality hardware, how long the computer itself stays current. that all plays into it. all of you waiting for apple to put os/x out for every mom and pop pc out there, don't hold your breath. – by os/x stud |
windows xp doom(8:08am est fri oct 22 2004) is this means the end of microsoft and kill bill? – by osx rocks |
dame.(8:46am est fri oct 22 2004) what makes all you mac users think that pc can not do better in computer graphics? pc have better vga hardware. highend cpu speed and you can customize yourself a workstation “mult-cpu amd or intel, 8 or 16gb ram of ddr2, nvidia fx or ati firegl” that you need in cheaper price too., like i say we have photoshop cs for pc also, adobe after effect, 3d studio max, and the the best 3d appz alias maya unlimited……… more and more coming out for pc soon. living in the world with a one button mouse is really something…. the feeling of 20th century. it sucks to have a mac that can make games with it but no games for it…. – by sorrymacuser…. |
neener/stud(8:50am est fri oct 22 2004) your claim that the opteron is an overall faster chip is as much fud as the claim that the g5 is the faster. i cannot tell you which is faster, i have seen benchmarks that skew for one or the other. a quick look at the list of the top 500 supercomputers tells me that the fastest opteron system runs at 8061 gigaflops with 2560 2.2ghz processors. vtech's supercomputer (currently off the list because due to the rebuild with 2.3ghz xserves) before the rebuild ran at 10280 gigaflops on 2200 2ghz g5s. that would be 3.15 gigaflops per processor on the opteron side and 4.67 gigaflops per processor on the g5 side. miraculously, string 2200 g5s together and they're faster than 2560 opterons. g5s are no slouch as you make them out to be. they can keep up with the best on the x86 side. – by fud vs. fud |
just a reminder about actual history…(9:09am est fri oct 22 2004) the reason apple is at 2.2% marketshare now is because throughout the formative years, microsoft used completely illegal tactics to block out competitors. if apple wanted to license the mac os to pc makers, they couldn't really do it competitively because microsoft required all the pc vendors to pay them a licensing fee on every pc sold whether it had windows or not. think about that. ms also crushed pc vendor software innovation by mandating that windows in exactly the same on all systems… rendering the entire pc vendor community into commodity brokers with the product differentiation capabilities of an orange juice maker. as for these completely ignorant arguments about mac hardare being “overpriced”… please educate yourself and read below: – by dr alien |
re: d0minque(9:12am est fri oct 22 2004) the expectation of win explicatore 5%!! market of mattresses von cherry discuto, simulating del os ala x most gracefully of 20% vitesse… i dunno what i just said, but i thought i'd give it a shot. – by spook |
1 or 2 button mice(9:49am est fri oct 22 2004) i use both a one button mouse and a wireless two button/scroll mouse with the same box. a mac box. you stupid peecee people crack me up. do a little research, read a book or a magazine… oh thats right you are not as smart as mac users nor do you have the money to buy a book. lol look out! someone is shooting at you! run! oops. your dead. play again? – by pixelsmith |
re: pixelsmith(10:08am est fri oct 22 2004) you saying “that people who dont use mac because they are not as smart as mac users nor do they dont have the money to buy a book” wtf! are you stupid got sick cell or you just got sh!t in your brain that makes it can not function normally? you think buying a mac it so expensive like buying a ferrari and need to read alot books to driver it. maybe you need to watch out that your daddy is gonna to shoot you in your back there is not way you can run. you dead. that's it. to run os x on a pc at 80% native speeds cause osx is not coding for pc hardware. why dont you try to run windowsxp in mac see how far you can go. – by pc rocks |
pc rocks(10:37am est fri oct 22 2004) lol!!! see how goofy you peecee people are! you are so worried that you are wrong about tour platform that you get all crazy! lmao!!! btw i do have win xp … on my mac! – by pixelsmith |
to pc sucks err rocks(10:50am est fri oct 22 2004) pc rocks, what are you doing in the mac section anyway? i dont expect you to reply now anyway. here is another mac site you will be interested in cruising you little wiener. lol! – by pixelsmith |
re:pixelsmitch(10:53am est fri oct 22 2004) hahaha. why you need mac for if you use it to run the winxp. told you pc rocks. hahaha. – by dame………. |
yea yea yea(10:55am est fri oct 22 2004) whatever. you keep your 2% of the marketshare and goaway. who the fuk care anyway. billgate still rocks. dont blame the world to make him rich. – by dame……. |
to dame(11:04am est fri oct 22 2004) i run it to show idiots like you that it is possible to do it. i also have every other version of windoze on my mac too. i do no production work with windblows at all. only to show my stupid peecee buddies that it is possible and maybe they will yank their heads out of their asses and use a descent os instead of rebooting all damn day long! did you install your service pack today? dame, why are you on this mac site too? – by pixelsmith |
re: fud vs. fud(11:14am est fri oct 22 2004) pelase read my post before responding to it. i never said opteron is faster than g5. i did say opteron runs cooler than p4 and g5 (read previous post for link). i also said a water-cooled g5 runs about as hot as an air-cooled prescott. all true statements. you are right about one thing though. i have yet to see a comprehensive comparison between dual g5s and dual opteron and xeon. it's perhaps because optimal compilers for the platforms are, well, not the gnu compiler. hence, a direct and proper apples to apples comparison isn't yet possible. – by neener^3 |
peecee guys feel stupid now(11:14am est fri oct 22 2004) peecee guys are thinking… oh crap thats right! i am crusing the mac section… i am busted for trying to find out about how cool and fast macs are. time to step up boys. – by pixelsmith |
addendum(11:15am est fri oct 22 2004) i was speaking specifically of the 2.5ghz g5. – by neener^3 |
bye now thanks for playing(11:49am est fri oct 22 2004) peecee guys went back to playing their little games now. bang bang shoot shoot reboot crash. lol! as i write this my studio partner an xp user is cursing cuz his piece of crap is crashing. btw his new 17″ hp laptop is thicker than my new apple desktop. (imac g5) lol!! – by pixelsmith |
themacflamesquad(3:27pm est fri oct 22 2004) cease and desist. the same old story: macos on a pc, and guess what it all ends up in flames. nothing worth commenting on either: opendarwin anyone. – by themacflamesquad |
re: pixelsmitch(3:39pm est fri oct 22 2004) “i run it to show idiots like you that it is possible to do it”{ who really give a fuk about it} “i also have every other version of windoze on my mac too” {oh really. like i say your daddy really give you a fuk about it} haha “i do no production work with windblows at all.”{cause you know sh!t about production quality at all” “only to show my stupid peecee buddies that it is possible and maybe they will yank their heads out of their asses and use a descent os instead of rebooting all damn day long!”{ you have a peecee buddies too. i hope you enjoy suck for him” “did you install your service pack today?” {so did you?} “dame, why are you on this mac site too”{is it must be a porn site.} – by hahahhaa |
re:pixelsmith(3:44pm est fri oct 22 2004) “peecee guys went back to playing their little games now. bang bang shoot shoot reboot crash. lol!” {bang bang. left hand right hand. err. are you playing yourself alone in the dark, you nasty little bith} “as i write this my studio partner an xp user is cursing cuz his piece of crap is crashing”{i knwo your g5 is not power enough to emulate xp. it crash again?} “btw his new 17” hp laptop is thicker than my new apple desktop. (imac g5) lol!!”{you dont have one anyway. so stop tell liar about how much you love to stay dickless} – by quicktime.com |
re:pixelsmith(3:52pm est fri oct 22 2004) “peecee guys are thinking… oh crap thats right! i am crusing the mac section… i am busted for trying to find out about how cool and fast macs are. time to step up boys” {are you self talking right now? how fast your g5 can go? 180 miles per/sec? it must be really fast, oh you fast. but whatver you can do pc does that too, but whatever pc doing it. you dont have the rights to run it. sad……. – by …. |
re: pixelsmith(3:54pm est fri oct 22 2004) dont reply me you peecee boy. – by yourdaddy |
just given it back(3:55pm est fri oct 22 2004) themacflamesquad- i love pissen off the peecee people. they are so angry at themselves for choosing a crappy platform but would never admit it so they slam the mac os. i do not intentionally go out to peecee sites to start things. to hahahahaa 1. my idiots friends didnt believe i could run xp on my mac. 2. they also didnt believe i could run 98 or dos 2000 on it either. 3. been in pre press for 15 years (i suspect this is your age too) and have run every version of mac and peecee os. 4. i unlike you am not a sucker of whatever you dream about. 5. i did install the latest update from apple and you know what? it works!! 5. it says at the top of my browser geek.com/mac section. that would indicate this is a mac site to even the weakest of minds. now go back to your games and kill something. – by pixelsmith |
maclover(4:35pm est fri oct 22 2004) well, the authors claim it was real, but untill it is actually released it must count as a hoax. a big flame on this one my children. i, for one, would actually like to see an official apple x86 osx release, as it makes sense for them, and would free them from the ibm g5 dependency. re pixelbitch: nice flames. – by maclover |
dame asks(4:45pm est fri oct 22 2004) “what makes all you mac users think that pc can not do better in computer graphics?” 1. quicktime. 2. quicktime. 3. quicktime. the original multimedia format and still the best. it is not just the quicktime player, it is not just quicktime pro or even just apple's quicktime technology that is so great. it is the thriving ecology of quicktime-based tools which run only on macs that make the mac unbeatable for multimedia. 8. pervasive pdf support anything you can print on a mac, you can print into a pdf file. don't need adobe reader to read pdfs. takes os typography to another level. 9. and all the hundreds of little details that apple and mac users worry about that nobody else even notices! i have seen old-school linotype drivers gasp and gape at the beauty of os x's anti-aliasing, awestruck, “look at the graceful curve of that descender.” – by unix daemon |
news of the day(5:42pm est fri oct 22 2004) best scoop of the day award has to go to the guys @ ipodlounge: sid=fwe-erzrws8-x1csa9e0cll7q11_hax xjgu=?productsku=vgfap1l&int=ilc-ss pd_vgfap1l so a kumbaya to see apple get into gear with the emerging trend in the digital music player market. – by maclover |
flame job(6:10pm est fri oct 22 2004) sorry, i snapped. never flamed anyone before. these peecee guys are just so ignorant i couldnt stand it anymore. they are so damn easy to piss off! i have a good friend who is right up there with these guys. knows everything about macs but never touched one. sad to go thru life with blinders on. i no longer think it is a good idea to port os x to x86. it is better to advance in technology. – by pixelsmith |
yawn….(9:08pm est fri oct 22 2004) …more of the same. and the same. and the same. let's summarize for the mac folk: mac twit #1 “hi! my new g5 imac can run doom 3 365,000 percent faster than my old g4 or any pc. don't believe me? i'm right! all of us mac users are more educated than any pc user. er, what's a fx-5200?” mac twit #2 “nobody in their right mind would touch a pc or a mac. it's the quality, the experience, the….the…can't you see? can't you see!!! touch my mac! love my mac! touch my mac! love my mac! arreeeghhhhh!” mac twit #3 “you simply can't compare to the technology and speed of the g5, it is superior in any way to the x86. my g5 1.6 ghz can smack the pants off of a 3.2 ghz pentium 4. the g5 is the best processor on the planet, apple has always chosen the best, and altivec is the ultimate….what about motorola? who are they?” mac twit #4 “i kin barly spel and i like to tolk sh$$. i pruv myself betr evryday than u lowsy peecee peeeple. i make a hundred millin bazillin dollars doin all kindz of graphx work. i'm talinted.” gawd what a week it's been, i can say universal axiom #45 is still true, i haven't met a mac fan who ultimately wasn't full of it—but i love to watch them fall over themselves trying to prove something. how about comparing how many college degrees you have? (mail order diplomas and thermometers don't count?) – by ziwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwi |
cherry, bitten?(10:09pm est fri oct 22 2004) i doubt many people actually believed the 80% native blurb. curious to see if anything appears at all, now. pixelsmith: “i do not intentionally go out to peecee sites to start things.” there's the crux, the sour lose the moment they press submit. you know you've struck a chord when the old pseuds get dusted off for a moan. – by nookster |
and how the pc lusers whine(11:10pm est fri oct 22 2004) why not just talk more about one button mice? or how you built a superior computer using post cards? or some other such nonsense. i've yet to see a mac post here without pc users going off topic to start flamewars. it gets old and tired. kinda like pc idiots (not all, but many that post on geek) talking about no games on mac, sorry mac. unable to spell, typing in ebonics, same old same old. if the cherryos wasn't a hoax, you would see many of these same lamers standing in line to use it. – by ziwiwi, moron same |
kinda irelevant but(2:42am est sat oct 23 2004) i get all my games from aspyr they are the really popluar ones for pc but the only problem is we get them a bit later than everyone else cheers – by ronnnie |
winxp vs mac(7:00am est sat oct 23 2004) windows xp gets more virus? answer: more poeple using it. more poeple learning it. more hacker interesting about it. the market needs it more for office jobs. more money flow into it. consists of multi functions and more software to support it. even quicktime wants to get into it. easy to use. also hard to program it. more entertainment, multimedia, games, more poeple using it, more mouse button for it and easy hotkey for supporting drawing appz. more ability power to customerize velocity engine, thank you. alot more marketshare of it about 90% worldwide mac with less virus, and why? answer: almost nobody wants it, no people learning it, waste time to write virus for it. easy program always stable. low-function box, almost no 3part software support it………… alot more sht that can not compare to the windows…. taking about mac.com all about is just one apple.com p.s you love graphic, the answer is why buying apple for. beside you can draw with it and what can you do with it? – by ………. |
i love it!(8:35am est sat oct 23 2004) i love how anything mac, turns into a battle of wits, or witlessness. to fellow mac users, humor these toads, post good articles, links to information, try not to sound like a zealot, don't lower yourself to their level. Where to download a copy of macos 1. all the clowns, like ziwi and others, who don't have an intelligent response, are here to get you wound up. Download rhinoceros 5.0 full crack mac. these guys don't read the articles that have been posted, or can't read, or are incapable of being open, and have nothing to support their rants, except the usual line of crap, which is word of mouth, from one fool to another. according to them, anything that cost more than the big box equivilant, is crap. therefore most of my belongings are crap. my guitars, my amps, my computer, my camera, my garden tractor, my snowblower, my weed whacker, my 1963 dodge, my work boots, and all the other higher priced, higher quality things i saved up for. i changed my mind, don't make a good and inexpensive emulator to run osx, let it remain a windows world. (but leave pails full of rocks everywhere) – by willy |
we in china(9:40am est sat oct 23 2004) we in china and taiwan like window. no like mac. but no pay window. get copy of pirate cd window xp good. buy cheap taiwan pc good. mac expensice. mac bad. p.s. soon we make copy mac. all yours chinese – by chinese |
re:pixelsmith(9:58am est sat oct 23 2004) “themacflamesquad- i love pissen off the peecee people. they are so angry at themselves for choosing a crappy platform but would never admit it so they slam the mac os. i do not intentionally go out to peecee sites to start things.” {are u selftalking again? hahaha. you bad peecee boy} “my idiots friends didnt believe i could run xp on my mac”{is it matter if you can run xp on yur mac or your ipod? go mac go mac……. can you watch porn on windows mediaplayer?} “they also didnt believe i could run 98 or dos 2000 on it either” { i believe you can run 99,20,21 in your quicktime too. but what about 2002? yes g5 yes g5…. i wonder how you slove the dirver problem} “been in pre press for 15 years (i suspect this is your age too) and have run every version of mac and peecee os.” {hello…? look who's talking} “i unlike you am not a sucker of whatever you dream about.”{you are not like a sucker whatever you dream about? did you dream lastnight? ok. i believe you are not a sucker. you are fine. just relax. you are an ass licker.} “i did install the latest update from apple and you know what? it works!!”{oh really. wow. great. does it works today? omg.} “it says at the top of my browser geek.com/mac section. that would indicate this is a mac site to even the weakest of minds.”{ yea. it says geek.com/mac section in top my broswer too. – microsoft internet explore-} “now go back to your games and kill something”{now you can go back to your games and get kill.} sorry, i snapped. never flamed anyone before.{of course not. you are the one who get flamed} these peecee guys are just so ignorant i couldnt stand it anymore. they are so damn easy to piss off! {see that. those bad peecee guy hurts you bad again?} “i have a good friend who is right up there with these guys. knows everything about macs but never touched one. sad to go thru life with blinders on.”{is their choice not to touch mac. they know what they need. is none of your businese anyway. stay away from it.} – by 01001100 |
slow chinese(10:05am est sat oct 23 2004) we in usa and canada like window long time ago. only g@y like mac. but no pay window. download a pirate copy window xp good n fast with our dsl service. we love buying cheap taiwan pc good. mac expensice and stupid. mac bad and suck. p.s. soon we make copy of mac and free for steal from online. all yours geroge w. bush – by vote for me |
mr chinese(11:23am est sat oct 23 2004) dear mr george bush i say we make copy mac hardware. no mac software all yours chinese – by chinese |
re pixelbitch(3:52pm est sat oct 23 2004) i wouldn't worry about it, or get too involved in the flame wars. maybe stay more on topic next time. – by maclover |
fruit os(4:56pm est sat oct 23 2004) it is truly amazing the numbers of peecee people interested in macs on this thread. they all seem to want a mac but are not sure how to switch without their buddies knowing. dont bother with fruit os just get a real mac it is far cheaper. – by pixelsmith |
re: pixelsmith(5:05pm est sat oct 23 2004) i was waiting for you to make an intelligent, non-inflamatory comment before i engaged you in dialog. thanks for doing so. yeah, you're right. a lot of pc users are very interested in using osx because we'd like to try something other than windows. but we also know that the mac hardware “trap” is not something we'd like to deal with. this is precisely why this whole pearpc episode got so much attention. if i may make a point: do you realize that apple was arrogent enough to think it could make ipod/itunes music store a success without a windows version. of course, now we all know that the majority of its ipod business comes from pc users. there is a similar opportunity here for apple with a “virtual mac” product. it beats standing in an apple store being harassed by some over-enthusiastic geek using osx for a few minutes. that won't get converts. – by neener^3 |
whoops(5:07pm est sat oct 23 2004) i mis-spelled arrogant. – by neener^3 |
hardware trap?(6:29pm est sat oct 23 2004) neener what do you mean by hardware trap? not being able to build your own system? i do not think apple ever thought they would make ipods or itunes exclusively for macs. i am certain they only wanted to make sure everything was dialed in and actually working for mac users first. there is no reason for apple to release a virtual mac. i doubt that will ever happen. peecee people will say “see how slow it is”. it is my observation that most anti mac people have never touched a mac, or at best used one for a semester in school. i have used both platforms since about 1981. there is absolutely no reason i can think of for 90% of the population to need a peecee. most people buy what their neighbors have. it is safer for them. every switcher i have ever met has always said “i cannot believe macs are so easy to use” or “if i had only known about macs 10 years ago” or “why did i ever use a peecee when macs were there all the time”…etc, etc. i bet if all the hard core peecee people above tried a mac for 3 months they would never go back to a peecee except for games. and they wouldnt even consider useing something like fruit os. – by pixelsmith |
re: pixelsmith(7:21pm est sat oct 23 2004) first of all, i disagree that apple always intended to release pc software for ipod and itunes. my friend, who was on the windows driver team for the ipod (and regularly asked me for help with win32 over aim against her bosses' instructions) was abruptly pulled off another project and was told that the brass decided to develop a windows driver. the hardware trap i mentioned is larger than you realize. it includes building your own system (though most people don't), it includes hardware diversity (there is a preponderance of pc peripherals for which macintosh drivers are simply not written: game controllers, pen drives, digital audio players, tv tuners, etc etc.) we have to be honest here: companies big and small (ati, nvidia, creative) spend their time writing windows drivers for their hardware and prioritize osx drivers below this. the hardware trap alone serves as reason why most people should use widely available, widely seeded commodity hardware. for now, that is x86. (hopefully this will change to epic, but that's another argument.) the solution, in my opinion, isn't to tell people to just ditch all their hardware and move to another os and invest in new hardware. the ideal solution would be that apple partner with ibm (for example) and sell complete x86 osx systems through a large oem. the drivers for other components would be readily forthcoming. in lieu of this, a “virtual mac” that lets people use osx on a piece of software would let people become familiar with osx for as long as they like until they realize there is a world out there without windows. to me, this is a much more effective “switching campaign” than the apple stores. this would at least be a compromise that would land things in apple's favor because people who otherwise wouldn't would invest time and money in osx. as for the speed, i think it's understood that emulators can't match native hardware (except misguided java people…but that's another conversation) in performance. – by neener^3 |
hardware trap(11:39am est sun oct 24 2004) just becasue they suddenly started developing windows drivers doesnt mean it wasnt in the plan. mac people come first and when the time is right windows people get theirs too. apple is very aware of the numbers in both camps. you take care of your own first. one of the reasons the mac is so reliable and stabile is because it is a closed system. a good friend shut down his computer repair business because very oftem 2 identical named systems could have totally different components in them. what ever part was cheapest that week was what ended up in the system. no continuity. no. most people will not understand the speed diff in emulators. the same way they do not understand the diff in oses. my experience is pc people are very closed minded. may be why creative types migrate to the mac platform. open minds. – by pixelsmith |
re:piexelsmith(12:32pm est sun oct 24 2004) what you experience is that you never had built your own system. you just bought it from what apple had in the market, you think pc user are very close mind? are you wrong about it, actually pc people often customize their own system because they know what they need. i know a lot professional cg artist they work switch between pc workstation and mac they don¡¯t stick in one system. so don¡¯t get it wrong that creative people migrate to mac. people don¡¯t control by the machine, they just use the machine to help them to do the right job, like you use the laptop at your car and the desktop home. speed between emulate depends on if you write the right code for the right hardware sometime it works pretty well. you can play emulate n64 games in your pc a lot faster then its regular system. and you don¡¯t understand the different between os, because you always come up your first ideas that people usually play games with pc and media jobs with mac. that¡¯s why you are very close mind. talk to you about different platform is kind of waste time. – by realgeek |
hahhaa….(12:57pm est sun oct 24 2004) yo pixelsmith. haha. you stupid fa-ggy. someone kik your as@. yea. pc is not only just for games. what about all those office jobs done be pc. so they all playing games during office hours? haha…. crazy biich. games is just part of the fun for the pc user. is a speical benfit for smart people only. pc make billgate, dell the world richest man. hp became the largest pc top sales browser online. you know how much the peoples needs it. – by ghost recon |
real geek and ghost recon(4:11pm est sun oct 24 2004) i do not need to build my own system. apple has included almost everything i need. i am not so cheap that i need to build a computer using cheap parts from the ground up much like i do not need to build my car from the ground up. i do understand the difference between os. peecee for games, linux for stability, macs for productivity. lol, i do not know a single peecee user that brags about their os. when is the last time you saw someone wearing a shirt with a windoze logo on it? ghost recon- i am not a bitch, i am a 50 year old man that has used nearly every os out there. i know what works best for me. i am not a fa-ggy what ever that is. and there are not too many that could kick my ass, especially you. why are you cruising the mac section of geek.com anyway? you want a mac in the worst way don't you. they are very beutiful to look at and very elegant and sinple to use. i do not play games on my computer other than this dialogue between misguided teenagers looking for a battle that they cannot win. it must be frustrating being a peecee user. the grass must look so green on my side of the fence… truth be known, it is. – by pixelsmith |
realgeek/ghost recon(10:13pm est sun oct 24 2004) are you actually trying to compare an n64 system to a mac or pc? emulation usually only works well when one system is far superior to another. an exception may be windows emulation on the macintosh. apple's hardware is not so superior to pcs (truth be told, there is very little difference in most cases other than processor) that it allows for win98/nt/2k/me/xp to be run better than on apple's hardware than on a pc. it can't. but it runs it good enough in most applications. apple's os does not get in the way of my creative process like windows does. i use xp everyday and i always look forward to turning it off at the end of the day. i never feel that way about my mac. lastly, most pcs never change from whatever their factory configuration is. you know it, i know it, most people with any sense knows it. many people who post on geek know how to make and secure their pcs using windows, but they are the exception and not the rule. ask any pc tech that works on them and if they are honest, they will tell you about the tons of crap they pull off them. macs are so far immune to all the windows viri and hopefully will remain so. it's a combination of obscurity, opportunity, and frankly a more secure os. be honest and admit it. macs aren't perfect, but our os is more secure than windows. also, ghost? grow up. – by os/x stud |
let me put this pc / mac fud to rest(5:21am est sun nov 14 2004) okay seriously guys… this is totally out of control bs. i can't stand one more line of bull out of either on of you. its starting to sound like a m$ fud campaign. so let me end this now! first: winblows sucks! this is not production environment! yes it plays game good, and thats it! (i nominate the phrase “two buttons, infinite reboot” for winblows users from now on.) second: mac sucks! this is not a good user environment. lets face facts, m$ got the good user interface idea. (bill gates quote from development of win95 “if we can't make it work good. at least we can make it look good.”). its easy point and shoot, any idiot (or flamer) can handle. but “the mac cult” scares the shit out of new people to the pc vs mac arena. you guys are fanatical. (and i do find the one button remark funny.) so now i’ve pissed off all the mac and winblows people…and i have your attention. it time i gave you some real answers. what is the one thing that works great doesn’t cost shit and runs on all hardware known to mankind (yes mac too…) linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!! speaking from experience, i’m starting a company that builds turnkey cluster solutions… whats the hardware i turn too? inexpensive x86 based, or slightly more costly ppc systems? how about mips? what about sparc? hell what about the playstation 2 emotion engine cpu (which is awesome at vector processing,… far beyond ppc)? so what it the choice…. answer: all of it! i get equal performance out of all of them on basic pvm (parallel virtual machine) apps. granted each has some excellent talents on there own. example: i have 4 g3 (blue and white guys) running linux mandrake ppc that i use in a special sub-cluster for compiling. for some reason if i use them to compile programs come out 20% smaller size wise. where as the x86 family (specifically xeon, ia, and x86_64) are better for large grunt processing. and believe it or not even a ps2 with the linux kit makes a nice addition to the cluster for fun. (benchmarking far beyond the macs risc chip in vector processing…even a g5. granted the ps2 is a game machine all it deals with is vectors.). so there… guys drop the damn debate. come over to linux and you’ll never have a pc vs mac debate again. simply because…here in linuxland…it doesn’t matter if your risc or cisc… it all just works and works damn good. – by digital-madman |
smell the coffee(2:22pm est thu nov 18 2004) come on folks. why do we always have to have a stupid flame war? to pc users: believe it or not, most mac users actually like the system those chose and use. it works for them. and that's all that really matters. to mac users: most pc users feel that the initial price of entry into the computer arena is just too high to go the mac route. you can't buy a decent mac (even used) for less than about $700. an entry level pc bundled with some software and a monitor costs about $600. to that's what they choose. there are advantages to both systems. macs being closed systems are by their very nature more stable and the os is more reliable because it has a much reduced set of hardware and drivers to deal with. pcs on the other hand can be upgraded more easily (and in the case of video cards, more cheaply) because there is a larger market of “compatible” hardware for the pc. certain hardware that works on the pc won't work on the mac (or doesn't work fully) because mac os doesn't support it. i have both systems. i have a 3.6ghz pentium 4e as well as a dual 2.5ghz g5 mac. i love both systems. i use both systems. each system has its own strengths and weaknesses. the trick is to use each one to fullest of its strengths. if you can only pick one platform, then explore both and pick the one that you think best suits your needs. pick the one whose strengths are what you want. i have a windows xp system right now that has not been rebooted in over a year. it has not crashed in over two years. i have a g4 sitting right next to it that has crashed about three times in its entire three year lifespan. as for building “cheap” pc systems. most people that build them do so not so much to save money (although that is a reason). they build them to get quality parts that make a quality system for less money than they can buy a quality system from a vendor that builds them. most of the arguments i have read here about pc better than mac or mac better than pc are just fud. yeah, macs come with a one button mouse. so what!?! i put a microsoft optical wheel mouse on it and now it has a three button mouse with a working wheel. it works right out of the box that way. and, yes, it's true that games are not as widely available for the mac as for pcs. but that's just economics. the mac market is smaller so games just naturally show up there later. most game companies write for a greatest common denominator (directx) which won't work on the mac. the result is that you have third party companies like aspyre (great company!) to do the ports to the mac. so the games arrive later, usually. some never get there, but those also don't usually sell very well on the pc platform, either (thus the decision not to port it). people who just have to have an argument about this are just trying to compensate or feeling that their chosen platform might be inferior. the upshot here is that if you like your system and are happy with it, the other systems don't matter. as long as you're happy with your choice what others think of it don't amount to anything. there's no need to argue about it. – by rogerwilco99 |
cherryos – back on topic(12:38am est wed nov 24 2004) well as expected the date has changed on their website to q1 2005 (1st quarter 2005) before you can obtain a free trial. well now i'm convinced it's all crap… i think deep down i knew no x86 would ever run os x at 80% and i kind of never trusted that guy, his video was enough to see a liar at work – by tracy |
that punk!(2:48pm est wed nov 24 2004) cherry os is lemon bs. .full of sound and fury signifing nothing… – by pc-mac who cares |
cherryos(11:10pm est mon nov 29 2004) pwned! – by l33t h4x()r dude |
i knew it was bs!(11:59pm est sun jan 23 2005) 1st quarter 2005 my ass btu it'll never see the light of day – by matt |
it's out!!!!!!(5:35pm est tue mar 08 2005) – by al |
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this sucks(3:39pm est mon oct 09 2006) huh the win xp is best sow my cpu max 50 % buth usaly 10% or 20% – by faks |